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		<title>Polar Ice Caps Melting!! Oh No!! &#8211; Wapo/AP Circa 1922</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks like this isn&#8217;t the first time that the polar ice caps have melted and thrown our world into, ahem&#8230; chaos. Check out this article from the Washington Post/AP in 1922: The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like this isn&#8217;t the first time that the polar ice caps have melted and thrown our world into, ahem&#8230; chaos.  Check out this article from the Washington Post/AP in 1922:</p>
<blockquote><p>
    The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen, Norway.</p>
<p>    Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.</p>
<p>    Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/03/16/you-ask-i-provide-november-2nd-1922-arctic-ocean-getting-warm-seals-vanish-and-icebergs-melt/">&#8211;Washington Post/AP, 1922 [H.T. - Anthony Watts]</a></cite>
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<p>I wonder if the AP back then ran pictures of depressed polar bears floating on ice chunks?</p>
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		<title>Molecular Turnover / Persistence of Self</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came across an interesting article the other day while reading a paper by Alvin Plantinga on the nature of the mind. He footnoted an article entitled Molecular Turnover by John McCrone. He delves into the subject of molecular death/regeneration within our neurological systems. This is directly relevant to a subject that I&#8217;ve dealt with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across an interesting article the other day while reading a paper by Alvin Plantinga on the nature of the mind.  He footnoted an article entitled <i><a href="http://www.dichotomistic.com/mind_readings_molecular_turnover.html">Molecular Turnover</a></i> by John McCrone.  He delves into the subject of molecular death/regeneration within our neurological systems.  This is directly relevant to a subject that I&#8217;ve dealt with here on the blog before.  Namely, the problem of persistence of self.  </p>
<p>How can our identity and memories persist when our neurological chemistry is in a constant state of death and regeneration?  Well, according to McCrone, the problem is much worse than the simple regeneration cycle that goes on in the rest of the body:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The issue of molecular turnover is starting to hit home in neuroscience, especially now that the latest research techniques such as fluorescent tagging are revealing a far more frantic pace of activity than ever suspected. For instance, the actin filaments in dendrites can need replacing within 40 seconds, making microtubules look like positive greybeards (Star et al, 2002). </p>
<p>A turnover time of five days for NMDA receptors seemed pretty steep when it was reported a few years back. (Shimizu et al, 2000). But recently Michael Ehlers at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina, reported that the entire post-synaptic density (PSD) &#8211; the protein-packed zone that powers synaptic activity &#8211; is replaced, molecule for molecule, almost by the hour. Ehlers had expected the turnover to take days and when he found no labelled protein on his first 24 hour assay, he thought he must have mucked up the experiment </p>
<p>Myelin and RNA molecules seem to last months. And DNA is of course fairly hardy, though it still needs continual repair. But on the kinds of figures that are coming out now, it seems like the whole brain must get recycled about every other month. And certainly everything points to the synapses as being about the most dynamic part of the whole system.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.dichotomistic.com/mind_readings_molecular_turnover.html">&#8211;John McCrone, Dichotomistic</a></cite>
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<p>So, the question remains as to how, on the physicalist model, an ego is maintained in light of the chemical &#8220;boil&#8221; that goes on within our neurochemistry.  If Dave is identical to Dave&#8217;s brain, how does Dave persist when Dave&#8217;s brain is dying and being reborn in it&#8217;s entirety on a bi-monthly basis?  Good luck with that one.</p>
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		<title>Thermopile Gas Fireplace</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;re having a severe deep-freeze in the deep South at the moment. Last night it went down to 16&#176; F. That&#8217;s cold no matter where you are, but it&#8217;s especially harsh here in Alabama where those types of low temps are unusual. All of this got me thinking, though. What would we do if we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re having a severe deep-freeze in the deep South at the moment.  Last night it went down to 16&deg; F.  That&#8217;s cold no matter where you are, but it&#8217;s especially harsh here in Alabama where those types of low temps are unusual.  All of this got me thinking, though.  What would we do if we happened to lose power during this cold weather?  I thought about this the other day when I heard that energy usage had gone way up since the cold hit.  We don&#8217;t have a generator for our house, but we do have a gas log fireplace.  Could we use that?  The answer is yes.</p>
<p>If you have a gas fireplace that has a wall switch or remote to turn on the flame, you don&#8217;t need A/C power in order to use it.  The switch itself isn&#8217;t connected to the house power.  It&#8217;s connected to a thing next to the pilot light called a &#8220;thermopile.&#8221;  A thermopile is a device that converts heat into electricity.  In the case of gas logs, all it needs is enough electricity to open the main gas valve, which would be just a few hundred milliwatts.  So, in case you are in our same predicament you can rest assured that you can at least cordon off your living room and stay warm if you lose power.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some more info on gas log ignitor design:</p>
<p><a href="http://hearth.com/econtent/index.php/articles/how_gas_works">http://hearth.com/econtent/index.php/articles/how_gas_works</a></p>
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		<title>Peer Review Is A Myth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The media is buzzing with the so-called &#8220;climategate&#8221; scandal. If you haven&#8217;t heard about this you can catch up on it here and here. The long and short of it is that some hacked emails from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia have been disclosed to the public and reveal the smoking gun that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media is buzzing with the so-called &#8220;climategate&#8221; scandal.  If you haven&#8217;t heard about this you can catch up on it <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/">here</a> and <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-global-cooling/">here</a>.  The long and short of it is that some hacked emails from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia have been disclosed to the public and reveal the smoking gun that global warming skeptics have been looking for.  In these emails are conversations amongst climate researchers on how to skew data to show warming and how to suppress that information through document destruction.  But that&#8217;s not the worst part, in my opinion.  The major cause of concern in the emails is the glaring attempt to exclude climate change skeptics from the peer-review process at the highest levels.</p>
<p>For instance:</p>
<blockquote><p>
And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.</p>
<p>    “This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the “peer-reviewed literature”. Obviously, they found a solution to that–take over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering “Climate Research” as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?”</p>
<p>    “I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor.”“It results from this journal having a number of editors. The responsible one for this is a well-known skeptic in NZ. He has let a few papers through by Michaels and Gray in the past. I’ve had words with Hans von Storch about this, but got nowhere. Another thing to discuss in Nice !”</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/">&#8211;James Delingpole, UK Telegraph</a></cite>
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<p>It struck me when I first read this section of the article that this is the exact thing that the intelligent design camp has been saying for years now.  Michael Behe even documented his peer-review nightmare <a href="http://www.arn.org/docs/behe/mb_correspondencewithsciencejournals.htm">here</a>. Intelligent design scientists have been systematically shut out of the peer-review process by being disallowed from the big journals, such as Nature, for years.  Michael Behe isn&#8217;t the only one.  If you haven&#8217;t heard of the whole &#8220;Sternberg&#8221; affair, go and check it out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternberg_peer_review_controversy">here</a>.  The idea that the peer-review system is some type of open process is just a total myth.  Robert Higgs wrote about this back in 2007 for Nature:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Journalists, politicians and advocacy groups refer to “peer-reviewed research” and “scientific consensus” as the authoritative last words on controversial matters involving the natural sciences, from climate change to stem-cell research and genetically engineered foods. But many people have an unrealistic view of how the scientific community actually works.</p>
<p>The peer-review process is not, contrary to popular belief, a nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny. Any editor of a peer-reviewed journal who desires to reject or accept a submission can easily do so by choosing appropriate referees.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and irresponsibility are as much part of the scientific world as any other. Peer review cannot ensure that research is correct in its procedures and conclusions. A part of the work in every discipline—from the physical sciences to economics—consists of correcting previous mistakes.<br />
At any given time, “scientific consensus” may exist about various matters. Over time, however, new interpretations, tests or observations may demolish that consensus. For instance, in the mid-1970s, an apparent scientific consensus existed that our planet was about to enter another Ice Age. Drastic proposals, such as exploding hydrogen bombs over polar icecaps to melt them. and damming the Bering Strait to prevent icy waters from entering the Pacific, were put forth by reputable scientists and seriously considered by the US government.</p>
<p>The truth is that scientific research at the upper echelons occurs within a fairly small world. Leading researchers attend the same conferences, belong to the same societies, review one another’s work for funding organizations, and so forth. If you do not belong to this tight fraternity, it becomes extremely difficult to gain a hearing for your work, to publish in a “top” journal, to acquire a government grant, to receive an invitation to participate in a scientific conference, or even to place your grad students in decent positions.</p>
<p>“Scientific consensus” often emerges because the members of this exclusive club, and those who support them, have too much invested in the reigning ideas to let go. In this context, it behooves bright young scientists not to rock the boat by challenging anything fundamental or dear to the hearts of those who constitute review committees of funders or journals. The terms “peer review” and “scientific consensus” often serve to suggest a process of disinterested neutrality and saintly pursuit of truth. Like every other human endeavour, however, science is conducted by people with the full range of human emotions and motives.</p>
<p>Good rules of thumb for the non-scientist might be the following: government-funded research that is used to justify that government’s policy should be suspect, whether or not it’s peer-reviewed; and the research of scientists who appear at press conferences in the company of politicians or activists whose agendas they are there to support should be suspect, whether or not the work upholds the consensus opinion.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2100">&#8211;Bob Higgs, The Beacon</a></cite>
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<p>While I think that it&#8217;s great that global warming is in it&#8217;s death throws, I think the bigger lesson here is that whenever we hear the words &#8220;scientific consensus&#8221; it should immediately trigger our skeptic reflex.  Science is an ongoing process of revolution and paradigm shift.  It always has been.  Today&#8217;s solid theory is tommorrows waste basket liner.  Consensus in world of science is worth about as much as it is in the economics profession.  That is to say, not much.</p>
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		<title>Some Common Sense About The Flu</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve always been skeptical of seasonal flu hysteria, and this year it&#8217;s just become totally ridiculous. The reason that I&#8217;ve never bought into the whole &#8220;you must get the flu vaccine&#8221; thing is that it violates some of my rules of common sense analysis. Here&#8217;s what I mean: If it&#8217;s new, be skeptical: Ok, this [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been skeptical of seasonal flu hysteria, and this year it&#8217;s just become totally ridiculous.  The reason that I&#8217;ve never bought into the whole &#8220;you must get the flu vaccine&#8221; thing is that it violates some of my rules of common sense analysis.  Here&#8217;s what I mean:</p>
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<li><strong>If it&#8217;s new, be skeptical</strong>:  Ok, this might sound like I&#8217;m a dinosaur or an old curmudgeon, but that&#8217;s not true.  What I mean is that whenever something new hits the scene we have a duty to be skeptical about it until it&#8217;s been thoroughly researched and proven out.  The idea of taking the flu vaccine every fall is something relatively new.  It&#8217;s only been during the last 20 years or so that this idea has become prevalent.  Before that, any talk of the flu vaccine was met with proper skepticism and only recommended for those where the risk of flu outweighed the risk of the vaccine side effects.  This article from the NY Times in 1981 proves my point:<br />
<blockquote><p>
In general, influenza is a bothersome disease, but not a serious one. Those who are most likely to develop serious and potentially fatal complications, including the elderly and people who are chronically ill, are advised to obtain flu vaccinations each year.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1981/01/09/us/health-officials-report-widespread-outbreaks-of-flu.html?scp=1&#038;sq=flu+vaccine&#038;st=nyt">&#8211;Jane E. Brody, NY Times</a></cite>
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<li><strong>If different rules apply to this one thing, be skeptical</strong>:  What I mean here is that if there seems to be a different set of rules for this particular thing than are being applied to all the rest of a class of like things then you have to dig deep to find out why.  For instance, the cold is a virus.  Why aren&#8217;t we vaccinating that?  And what about strep throat?  And how about viral pneumonia?  And, if we can&#8217;t vaccinate efficiently against all those things then why do we assume that the influenza virus is so susceptible to vaccination?  It just seems that the flu is having different rules applied to it than every other disease.  Seriously?  A new vaccine every freakin year?  That just doesn&#8217;t seem to fit.</li>
<li><strong>If an easy financial gain link can be found, be skeptical</strong>:  Ok, just ask yourself for a moment who benefits from a national campaign to be vaccinated against the flu every year.  It&#8217;s easy to see that drug companies would benefit greatly from this.  The largest manufacturers of flu vaccine are Glaxo-Smith Kline, Novartis and Sanofi-Aventis.  Familiar names to be sure.  Such an obvious link between drug company profit and a public health scare should make anyone skeptical.  Think of it this way.  If all of the sudden the government came out with a report next month that said that buying a new car was necessary for health reasons because old cars harbour germs in the cushions wouldn&#8217;t you be a little skeptical that GM and Chrysler had something to do with it?  Also, you have to wonder why nobody knows or reports on who actually makes these vaccines.  All you ever see reported is &#8220;vaccine makers&#8221; said this, or &#8220;vaccine manufacturers&#8221; did that.  They never actually use their company names.  For example, do a google search for <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&#038;hs=ne7&#038;q=%22largest+manufacturer+of+flu+vaccine%22&#038;btnG=Search&#038;aq=f&#038;oq=&#038;aqi=">&#8220;largest manufacturer of flu vaccine&#8221;</a> and notice that you only get like 8 hits.  Seriously?!  Eight hits?  That&#8217;s fishy.  What&#8217;s to hide?</li>
<li><strong>When you see fascism, be really, really skeptical</strong>:  It&#8217;s fairly obvious to me that there is a mutual benefit scenario that plays out with annual flu-scare vaccinations.  The government gets the benefit of the increased power and control that comes with any national &#8220;emergency&#8221; via the ratchet effect.  And that plays perfectly into the profit motives of big, fascist pharma.  If you know anything about me at all then you&#8217;ll know that I have absolutely nothing against profit.  I&#8217;m an anarcho-capitalist to be sure.  But profit by fascism is ill-gained and wrong.</li>
<li><strong>When the numbers lie, reject it</strong>:  The truth about the whole flu thing is that the 36,000 flu deaths each year that the <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm">CDC reports</a> is just complete aggregate nonsense.  Statistics are easily skewed by using aggregated numbers.  When you break down the actual causes of death in detail, you&#8217;ll see that less than 1000 people actually die directly from the flu complications each year and those almost always have complicating health factors such as severe asthma.  Most all of those deaths are from people in the extreme age ranges and those who already have other illnesses like HIV.  The numbers lie.</li>
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<p>One link that has been gaining more and more solid independent research behind it is the link between Vitamin-D and cold/flu contraction.  There is a lot of good evidence now showing that Vitamin-D deficiency is a main factor in a weak immune system.  You can read about it here on Steve Gibson&#8217;s <a href="http://www.grc.com/health/vitamin-d.htm">Vitamin-D page</a> and the video below is a good reference too.  Vitamin-D is actually not a vitamin at all.  It&#8217;s a sort of super-hormone that the body uses for all kinds of things.  It&#8217;s not naturally found in food either.  But you won&#8217;t find any of this in any of the CDC/HHS propaganda literature because Vitamin-D isn&#8217;t patentable so it therefore doesn&#8217;t help big pharma to push that headline.</p>
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		<title>A New &#8220;Missing Link&#8221;.  Yay!</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, it&#8217;s been waaay too long since I&#8217;ve seen a good &#8220;missing link&#8221; story come out of the celebrity science media. But, my friend just shot me this link to the latest one. So, as I did last time, I&#8217;ll run through the article and give some commentary to show how the anatomy of a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, it&#8217;s been waaay too long since I&#8217;ve seen a good &#8220;missing link&#8221; story come out of the celebrity science media.  But, my friend just shot me this <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html">link</a> to the latest one.  So, as I did last time, I&#8217;ll run through the article and give some commentary to show how the anatomy of a &#8220;missing link&#8221; story works.</p>
<p>First, you must make up a random date and then make a big claim that you don&#8217;t intend to substantiate:</p>
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Scientists today announced the discovery of the oldest fossil skeleton of a human ancestor. The find <em>reveals that our forebears underwent a previously unknown stage of evolution</em> more than <em>a million years before Lucy</em>, the iconic early human ancestor specimen that walked the Earth 3.2 million years ago.
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<p>Then, you clear the playing field so that you don&#8217;t have to actually provide hard evidence for any of the stories you are about to make up:</p>
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The fossil puts to rest the notion, popular since Darwin&#8217;s time, that a chimpanzee-like missing link—resembling something between humans and today&#8217;s apes—would eventually be found at the root of the human family tree.</p>
<p>&#8230;the skeleton offers a window on what the last common ancestor of humans and living apes might have been like. </p>
<p>&#8220;This find is far more important than Lucy,&#8221; said Alan Walker, a paleontologist from Pennsylvania State University who was not part of the research. &#8220;It shows that the last common ancestor with chimps didn&#8217;t look like a chimp, or a human, or some funny thing in between.&#8221;
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<p>The neo-darwinians have been trying to do this for years now.  Establish the idea that there actually was no transitional form between apes and man.  They realize how absurdly weak the fossil record is and that it&#8217;s never going to get any better for them.  So instead, they change their story.  Now, there isn&#8217;t any &#8220;missing link&#8221; they need to find.  Instead, there is only a mythical &#8220;common ancestor&#8221; that they don&#8217;t have to find.  Convenient, no?</p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s bring in some radiometric dating nonsense:</p>
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The Ardipithecus ramidus fossils were discovered in Ethiopia&#8217;s harsh Afar desert at a site called Aramis in the Middle Awash region, just 46 miles (74 kilometers) from where Lucy&#8217;s species, Australopithecus afarensis, was found in 1974. <em>Radiometric dating of two layers of volcanic ash that tightly sandwiched the fossil deposits revealed that Ardi lived 4.4 million years ago</em>.
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<p>This is simply impossible.  I&#8217;m sorry, but the flaw here is in misunderstanding the magnitude of what &#8220;millions&#8221; of years really means.  Look, it takes teams of researchers sometimes decades to reconstruct and understand events from just a few hundred years ago.  Why, do these people think they can possibly know who or what lived 4 MILLION years ago.  Just stop and think about that for a minute.  A <i>million</i> years.  I <a href="http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating.html">cannot believe</a> that we have instruments capable of accurately measuring in millions of years.  I&#8217;m just not buying it.  It&#8217;s naive.</p>
<p>And, here&#8217;s where we get into the typical Lucy BS.  Skeletal amalgamations:</p>
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While important, however, none of those earlier fossils are nearly as revealing as the newly announced remains, which in addition to Ardi&#8217;s partial skeleton include bones representing at least 36 other individuals.
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<p>The way this works is that you take various bones from all sorts of critters and you just put them all in an arrangement that looks as much like a hominid as possible.  This &#8220;skeleton&#8221; contains bones from 36 different creatures.</p>
<p>Now, with all of the preliminaries out of the way, we can move on to the meaty stuff.  The storytelling.  This is how modern hollywood-like science is done.  You clear the field, throw out a bunch of claims, and then get on with spinning a good yarn that you couldn&#8217;t possibly really know happened:</p>
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The biggest surprise about Ardipithecus&#8217;s biology is <em>its bizarre means of moving about</em>.</p>
<p>All previously known hominids—members of our ancestral lineage—walked upright on two legs, like us. But Ardi&#8217;s feet, pelvis, legs, and hands suggest she was a biped on the ground but a quadruped when moving about in the trees.</p>
<p>Combined with modifications to the other toes, the bone would have helped Ardi walk bipedally on the ground, though less efficiently than later hominids like Lucy. <em>The bone was lost in the lineages of chimps and gorillas</em>. </p>
<p>Modern chimps and gorillas <em>have evolved limb anatomy</em> specialized to climbing vertically up tree trunks, hanging and swinging from branches, and knuckle-walking on the ground.</p>
<p>&#8220;What Ardi tells us is <em>there was this vast intermediate stage in our evolution that nobody knew about</em>,&#8221; said Owen Lovejoy, an anatomist at Kent State University in Ohio, who analyzed Ardi&#8217;s bones below the neck. &#8220;It changes everything.&#8221;
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<p>But it doesn&#8217;t stop there.  No, he has to go full-silliness with a line like this:</p>
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Lovejoy sees these changes as part of an epochal shift in social behavior: Instead of fighting for access to females, a male Ardipithecus would supply a &#8220;targeted female&#8221; and her offspring with gathered foods and gain her sexual loyalty in return.</p>
<p>To keep up his end of the deal, a male needed to have his hands free to carry home the food. Bipedalism may have been a poor way for Ardipithecus to get around, but through its contribution to the &#8220;sex for food&#8221; contract, it would have been an excellent way to bear more offspring. And in evolution, of course, more offspring is the name of the game.
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<p>This is typical neo-darwinian story telling pure and simple.  They do provide pictures though.</p>
<p>From this:<br />
<img alt="Ardipithecus Skeleton" src="/images/ardipithecus_bones.jpg" /></p>
<p>They got this:<br />
<img alt="Ardipithecus Sketch" src="/images/ardipithecus_sketch.jpg" /></p>
<p>Complete and utter silliness.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lew posted this yesterday over at LRC and it was so good I just had to repost it here. People teach science today in such a disconnected manner, as if the theory and the application are wholly seperate from each other. And as the emailer said on LRC, they pour so much math into it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lew <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/028546.html">posted this</a> yesterday over at LRC and it was so good I just had to repost it here.  People teach science today in such a disconnected manner, as if the theory and the application are wholly seperate from each other.  And as the emailer said on LRC, they pour so much math into it that the concepts themselves get muddy.  What a refreshing change to see such a clear explanation of a difficult concept(hint, fast-forward to the 2:00 minute mark to get past the motorcycle stuff):</p>
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<p>My wife and I had a really good physics teacher in college that always did an excellent job of making hard concepts easy and clear.  He gave an explanation once of what&#8217;s really going on when you &#8220;square&#8221; a number mathematically and why it&#8217;s called squaring in the first place.  It was really cool, and I always wondered why in the world math wasn&#8217;t taught that way in school.  What a shame.  Reason #598 to homeschool I guess.</p>
<p>Also, here is the Richard Feynman video that prompted the GM one.  It&#8217;s very good too.  It&#8217;s Feynman explaining how trains stay on the track and manage to turn corners without a differential mechanism. h The coning sounds similar to how constant velocity transmissions work.  Thanks for posting these Lew.  Good stuff.</p>
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		<title>Ida the Marketing Monkey</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday there was a full on media blitz over the latest evolutionary &#8220;missing link discovery&#8221;. Piling on with the likes of Lucy, Archeopteryx, Selam, etc., it&#8217;s pretty obvious that this has absolutely nothing to do with new evidence of a &#8220;missing link&#8221;. Instead, it&#8217;s a media marketing blitz to sell books and videos and other [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday there was a full on media blitz over the latest evolutionary &#8220;missing link discovery&#8221;.  Piling on with the likes of Lucy, Archeopteryx, <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14922303/">Selam</a>, etc., it&#8217;s pretty obvious that this has absolutely nothing to do with new evidence of a &#8220;missing link&#8221;.  Instead, it&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.revealingthelink.com/">media marketing blitz</a> to sell books and videos and other crap.  Hurry!  Get your missing link Lemur monkey beer koozy&#8217;s while they last!  They even trotted out David Attenborough for goodness sake.  That guy is about 10% scientist and about 90% gameshow host.  But, I&#8217;m getting sidetracked.  Let&#8217;s actually look at what they found and see if it matches the claim.</p>
<p>The claim is that this lemur monkey fossil is &#8220;the missing link in human evolution.&#8221;  That&#8217;s the claim, and that&#8217;s what should be evaluated.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s a really cool fossil, or if it&#8217;s &#8220;almost complete&#8221;, or any of that.  What matters is whether or not it is clearly and distinctly a transitional form between ape and man, as the headlines are blazing it.  What you will see, rather, is just a mega-hyped version of the usual stuff.  I&#8217;ll show you here how to read one of these articles properly.  I&#8217;ve <a href="http://www.southernbread.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi/index.html?find=%22missing+link%22&#038;plugin=find&#038;path=">read so many</a> missing-link articles over the years that I have it down to an art form.  I could analyze one and make a sandwich at the same time.  Let&#8217;s look at the article [my comments in brackets]:</p>
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<p><img align="left" src="/images/ida.jpg" alt="Ida the Lemur Monkey"/> The search for a direct connection between humans <i>and the rest of the animal kingdom</i> has taken 200 years &#8211; but it was presented to the world today at a special news conference in New York. [<span class="artcomment">already re-defining the criteria</span>]</p>
<p>[<span class="artcomment">the next 11 paragraphs are just one-liners from various people about how AMAZED! they are</span>]</p>
<p>Scientists say Ida &#8211; squashed to the thickness of a beer mat by the immense passage of time &#8211; is the most complete primate fossil ever found.  [<span class="artcomment">complete primate fossil.  congratulations.  i find complete arrowheads in my backyard sometimes.</span>]</p>
<p>With her human-like nails instead of claws, and opposable big toes, she is placed at the very root of human evolution when early primates first developed features that would eventually develop into our own. [<span class="artcomment">human-like nails:  which primates still have.  this is not transitional.  just more darwin branch-theory fairy tale story.  opposable big toes:  same.</span>]</p>
<p>Another important discovery is the shape of the talus bone in her foot, which humans still have in their feet millions of lifetimes later. [<span class="artcomment">talus bone:  no details given about just what that shape is.  it says the shape is the key thing, then says that humans have talus bones.  yeah, but are the shapes the same?  many primates have talus bones.  what matters is the design, which they don&#8217;t mention.</span>]</p>
<p>[<span class="artcomment">a few paragraphs about the back story.</span>]</p>
<p>But in 2006, Ida came into the hands of private dealer Thomas Perner, who presented her to Prof Hurum at the annual Hamburg Fossil and Mineral Fair in Germany &#8211; a centre for the murky world of fossil-trading.  [<span class="artcomment">lol.  here we go with the James Ossuiary and the Jesus tomb all over again.</span>]</p>
<p>[<span class="artcomment">the next 10 paragraphs talk about the lead scientists emotions and some more back story.</span>]</p>
<p>Through radiometric dating of Messel&#8217;s volcanic rocks, they discovered Ida lived 47 million years ago in the Eocene period. [<span class="artcomment">LOL!!  radiometric dating is a total crapshoot beyond a few thousand years, but they were able to nail this one down to 47 million.  sure.</span>]</p>
<p>This was when tropical forests stretched right to the poles, and South America was still drifting and had yet to make contact with North America.  During that period, the first whales, horses, bats and monkeys emerged, and the early primates branched into two groups &#8211; one group lived on mainly as lemurs, and the second developed into monkeys, apes and humans.  [<span class="artcomment">i included this as a fine example of a typical morph into darwinian fairy tale that is common in these stories.  they can&#8217;t possibly know any of this.  it&#8217;s pure speculation passed off as fact.</span>]</p>
<p>The experts concluded Ida was not simply a lemur but a &#8217;lemur monkey&#8217;, displaying a mixture of both groups, and therefore putting her at the very branch of the human line.  [<span class="artcomment">and now we get to the heart of the issue.  she&#8217;s not transitional.  rather, she&#8217;s "branchiable".  being at the so-called branch, is meaningless unless you already buy into the fairy tale story.  a true transitional form, on the other hand, requires no back story.  it would be hard proof in and of itself.  but that&#8217;s not what this is.</span>]</p>
<p>[<span class="artcomment">5 more paragraphs of feelings and darwin quotes</span>]</p>
<p>Up until now, the most famous fossil primate in the world has been Lucy, a 3.18-million-year-old hominid found in Ethiopia in 1974. [<span class="artcomment">LOL!! #2.  lucy is a joke.</span>]</p>
<p>She was then our earliest known ancestor, and only 40% complete. [<span class="artcomment">40% complete is a stretch</span>]</p>
<p>But at 95% complete, Ida was so well <i>preserved in the mud at the bottom of the volcanic lake</i>, there is even evidence of her fur shadow and remains of her last meal. [<span class="artcomment">preserved in sediment.  again, the idea of a global flood never crosses their minds.</span>]</p>
<p>[<span class="artcomment">more endless paragraphs of backstory and feelings.</span>]</p>
<p>When Darwin famously told the Bishop of Worcester&#8217;s wife about his theory of evolution, she remarked: &#8220;Descended from the apes! My dear, let us hope that it is not true, but if it is, let us pray that it will not become generally known.&#8221;  Now, it certainly is. [<span class="artcomment">and we end with a gratuitous slam on religion.  good form.</span>]</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Missing-Link-Scientists-In-New-York-Unveil-Fossil-Of-Lemur-Monkey-Hailed-As-Mans-Earliest-Ancestor/Article/200905315284582?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&#038;lid=ARTICLE_15284582_Missing_Link%3A_Scientists_In_New_York_Unveil_Fossil_Of_Lemur_Monkey_Hailed_As_Mans_Earliest_Ancestor">&#8211;Alex Watts, Sky News</a></cite></p>
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<p>So, there we have it.  An entire article about the missing link discovery with only 3 short paragraphs about why it&#8217;s actually the missing link.  And those paragraphs are just your usual Darwinian fairy tale story turned into science.  And looking at the stupid marketing website it becomes really obvious what this is all about and why David Attenborough is so involved:</p>
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The world premiere of The Link, a two-hour event special, airs on Memorial Day &#8211; Monday May 25th, 2009 at 9pm ET/PT. It is being screened by History across the US.</p>
<p>The UK premiere of Uncovering Our Earliest Ancestor: The Link will be shown on BBC One at 9pm on Tuesday 26th May. The version of the film made for the BBC is written and narrated by Sir David Attenborough.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.revealingthelink.com/">&#8211;Revealing the Link Website</a></cite></p>
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<p>David over at Crev has a good <a href="http://creationsafaris.com/crev200905.htm#20090519b">writeup</a> on it today as well.  What a load.</p>
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		<title>No Viewpoint Discrimination?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just reading a post over at newsbusters hilighting an on-air debate between Bill O&#8217;rielly and Megyn Kelly over the Washington state governor Christine Gregoire&#8217;s decision to allow atheist signs next to the nativity in the state capitol. I must admit that this is the first I&#8217;ve heard of this. Evidently, Gregoire made a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just reading a post over at <a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/12/18/oreilly-kelly-debate-atheist-sign-wa-state-capitol-round-two">newsbusters</a> hilighting an on-air debate between Bill O&#8217;rielly and Megyn Kelly over the Washington state governor Christine Gregoire&#8217;s decision to allow atheist signs next to the nativity in the state capitol.  I must admit that this is the first I&#8217;ve heard of this.  Evidently, Gregoire made a statement about discriminating against non-religious displays:</p>
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<p>&#8220;The U.S. Supreme Court has been consistent and clear that, under the Constitution&#8217;s First Amendment, once government admits one religious display or viewpoint onto public property, it may not discriminate against the content of other displays, including the viewpoints of nonbelievers,&#8221; the statement said.</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.komonews.com/news/35678604.html">&#8211;KOMO, Staff</a></cite></p>
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<p>I sometimes marvel at how people who should know better simply miss the obvious.  She flatly says that she &#8220;may not discriminate against the content of other displays&#8221; because she allowed a nativity first.  Well, I know exactly what I would do.  I would go down to the capital and place a big display of Godzilla eating some Japanese folks and breathing fire and claim he is my deity.  Uh oh!  Somebody beat me to the punch:</p>
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<p><img align="left" src="/images/flying-spaghetti-monster.jpg" alt="Flying Spaghetti Monster"/></p>
<p>Washington state officials placed a moratorium late Friday on permitting any more holiday displays inside the Capitol&#8230;</p>
<p>The moratorium in effect denies space to several requests, including one for a sign that says &#8220;Santa Claus will take you to Hell&#8221; and a &#8220;Festivus&#8221; pole. Festivus is a mock holiday popularized by the &#8220;Seinfeld&#8221; sitcom in the 1990s.</p>
<p>Other requests that will be rejected under the moratorium is a Kansas group&#8217;s request for a &#8220;Flying Spaghetti Monster&#8221; display&#8230;</p>
<p><cite><a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/57763.html">&#8211;Brad Shannon, McClatchy</a></cite></p>
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<p>What a complete waste of everyone&#8217;s time.  Our government has lost all vestiges of common sense.  It&#8217;s freakin Christmas!  You know, that holiday that represents the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">birth of Christ</span>.  Of course you can discriminate against atheist signs on CHRISTMAS!!!  The vision of the nativity is embedded in the very word for cryin out loud.  Please, you militant atheists, either get your own holiday or go put up some anti-religion signs in Syria during Ramadan.  Oh, wait.  I forgot all of you were too yellow to do something like that.  Just shut up then.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Note: This is an old post that I just realized never got published.) The latest tome I&#8217;m making my way through is Douglas Preston&#8217;s Blasphemy. I&#8217;ve been on a big Douglas Preston kick lately. His stuff with Lincoln Child is great and I&#8217;ve read one of his previous(The Codex) solo books before. He&#8217;s a good [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Note: This is an old post that I just realized never got published.) The latest tome I&#8217;m making my way through is Douglas Preston&#8217;s <i>Blasphemy</i>.  I&#8217;ve been on a big Douglas Preston kick lately.  His stuff with Lincoln Child is great and I&#8217;ve read one of his previous(<i>The Codex</i>) solo books before.  He&#8217;s a good writer.  I don&#8217;t claim to know what his worldview is, but he seems to at least be an agnostic, if not an atheist.  That&#8217;s as far as I want to go without doing more research.  I make this assumption because of the characters in his books.  The smart ones are all atheistic and the imbecils are all Christian.  I say Christian specifically because he seems to be endeared to Eastern religion in some way, but again, I&#8217;m not going to speculate.</p>
<p>All that being said, let me get to the point.  In <i>Blasphemy</i> there is an interchange between the lead scientist on the supercollider project and a local missionary preacher.  Through the whole interchange the preacher is portrayed as a fiery know-nothing idiot who doesn&#8217;t know how to get out of bed in the morning without his bible.  The lead scientist, on the other hand, is the gracious, noble model of sincerity.  Preston describes him as having a &#8220;warm smile&#8221; and a &#8220;warm and sincere&#8221; voice, and being the model of patience.  Now contrast that with Melinda&#8217;s <a href="http://str.typepad.com/weblog/2008/02/dawkins-and-the.html">treatment</a> of Richard Dawkins in her blog post:</p>
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<p>After viewing the video of Dawkins apparently being &#8220;stumped by creationists&#8217; question,&#8221; I did some digging to find his response, giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was likely just trying to frame his answer in a succinct way, or that he was flustered for some reason other than a lack of an answer.</p>
<p>&#8230;Dawkins gives a seemingly unrelated answer, so I searched online to find a more detailed written response by Dawkins to this interview, and found it here&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;I suspect, from his written piece, that we&#8217;re mostly talking past each other.  He doesn&#8217;t seem to understand the precise nature of the question (or of information)&#8230;</p>
<p><cite>Melinda Penner, <a href="http://str.typepad.com/weblog/2008/02/dawkins-and-the.html">STR Blog</a></cite></p>
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<p>Now, Melinda&#8217;s handling of Dawkins was gracious and very accomodating.  On an ideological front, Dawkins is her mortal enemy.  But that didn&#8217;t make her resort to caricature.  She cares more about getting to the bottom of what Dawkins was actually saying and responding to that, rather than some straw man made in his image.  After all, he could&#8217;ve been right.  Just because someone doesn&#8217;t share our worldview, it doesn&#8217;t mean that everything that comes out of their mouth is wrong.  I&#8217;m sure that Melinda and Richard both agree that killing people for fun is wrong.  That truth is not somehow wrong when Dawkins says it just because he&#8217;s an atheist.</p>
<p>So to Douglas Preston and like-minded authors, I would say this.  Give Christianity a fair treatment.  I&#8217;ll say the same thing I said in <a href="/music/new_rush_religion_in_america.html">one of my</a> Neil Peart posts.  Attacking Christianity via caricature and straw men is beneath your level.  You&#8217;re too smart for that.  It&#8217;s much too easy.  In fact, I can probably do it better than most atheists could.  It&#8217;s more challenging to respond to our well reasoned arguments coming from the big Christian thinkers of our time.  And it makes people like me have more respect for you in general.</p>
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